I know the Democratic nominee is not chosen yet, and hopefully Hillary Clinton will fight it out tooth and nails all the way to the convention. But as things settle in it is sure looking
more likely with each passing day, that Barack Obama is going to be their candidate.
Unfortunately as unfit, unqualified, and radical as Barack Obama is, if Republicans, Reagan Democrats and conservatives stay home on election day, that is what we are going to end up with. Elections are normally not won on voting against someone, but hopefully that is what we as concerned American citizens will be able to accomplish in the 2008 election. Let's face it that with the Obama frenzy that has been sweeping the Nation, Democrats are experiencing the greatest voter turnout in the history of our Nation. A great majority of Obama supporters cannot tell you anything about him as far as accomplishments. They just know he is for change, and they don't give a rat's behind what that means or entails.
The Pro-Obama crowd are very fired up, and as it stands right now, they are not going to let anything stand in their way of getting out to the polls. They are not going to listen to anything that is less than praise for their man, he is their Rock Star, Their hope, even their Messiah. The Democratic talking point is, a vote for John McCain is like giving Bush a third term. I just read a post on Little Green Footballs where a poster said that after 4 years of George Bush, no candidate could ever be too far left. It is important to really commit yourself, and get the message out, that as fired up as the Obama supporters are this year, that those of us who do not want him, need to be even more determined that we will not let that happen.
So far John McCain has done little to fire up his future voters. We cannot afford to wait for him to get us fired up. We really need to take it upon ourselves to get the word out about the dangerous, perilous state our nation will be in, if Barack Obama is elected President. I for one will not let anything stop me from getting to the polls, come November. I have seen enough of Barack Obama and there is enough already out there about him, that I have come to the conclusion, that this guy is very dangerous for our country. He does not have the experience, the character, or the judgement, to even be considered a serious choice. It is not by accident that he is the favorite choice of Hamas. Concerning his wife, Michele Obama, well let's just say She certainly is no Laura Bush, I will just leave it at that. I do think that we will get a lot of anti-Obama Hillary Clinton supporters who will vote for John McCain out of spite. I do not think there is much chance that Barack Obama will choose Hillary Clinton as his V.P. I believe it was David Gergen who said the other night on CNN, that the word in the Obama camp is that if Barack Obama gives Hillary the nod, that they will have to hire a food taster.
Friday, May 09, 2008
President Barack Obama! If That Don't Send Chills Down Your Spine, What Will?
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Delusional doesn't even begin to describe this post, thanks for the laugh, though.
You are welcome, hey if a known friend and business associate of a terrorist, (Ayers) with a very hateful, anti-american, bigoted and radical pastor, and who is business partners with one of the biggest crooks in Chicago (Resko) and a wife who has never been proud of America and wants to scratch a former President's eyes out, If a POTUS with all that going for him, and thats just for starters, does not disturb you, You need all the humor you can get. Have a great day!, I appreciate the post.
Seriously, get a clue...No wonder why our country is having so many issues right now, people like you prove true ignorance...Let me ask you this, do you find it odd that no one can find anything on Obama so they need all this "okie doke" garbage with others? Yes, his pastor said some weird stuff, who doesn't know or associate with someone who has some odd ideas...Anti American, weird, he hated America so much he served this country, you didn't mention that...Oh wait, and the worst anyone's come up with is 2 1/2 paragraphs cherry picked, um, which the candidate you reference denounced, jyeah, 2 1/2 paragraph's over a 30 year career makes me wonder...And Ayers when introduced to Barack was a professor at a University, no more, no less, if he's an active terrorist like you say, why isn't the government intervening? Not like he's hiding? And unfortunately you can find guys like Rezko in any politicians donor list, it's the nature of politics, unlike most, the man you question donated the funds to charity, has McCain done that with Hagee's, no, he embraced the endorsement of a man who attacked all Catholics, no mention of that here either...Don't try to match wits little boy, it's obvious you're overmatched.
The problem with this country is, it's been 30 years since we suffered through Jimmy Carter. If we can survive 4 years of libreal Democrat rule, that will do more tho create conservatives than anything else we can do.
I quit voting for Republicans because they are little more than warmed-over Democrats. When I find a true conservative candidate, that individual will get my vote. But I won't support a liberal in Republican's clothing anymore.
McCain's only chance to get my vote is to select a true conservative running mate. Otherwise, I stay home.
Well, I'm sorry but the Republican Party leadership should have thought that through before they left us with John McCain. To their credit, at least we don't have a pro-choice Rudy Guillani as our "presumptive" nominee.
But, please don't think this threat will cause it's conservative base to vote for Mr. McCain.
Every election is just like this -- there is always an Obama/Hillary, John Kerry, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, or George McGovern on the other side of the ticket. . . At some point (like Karl Rove's plan to move left in order to create a "permanent Republican majority") we refuse to support any more of these unconservative "conservatives."
We have no desire to support or tolerate McCain's bi-partisan express.
iam leaving the democratic party and embrace mccain
McCain 08
OBAMA IS HAVING ACTIVE TALKS WITH HAMAS AND GOT BUSTED!!!!
HE IS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT AWAY LIKE HE DIDN’T KNOW….LIKE HE DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT HIS PASTOR
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/09/report-obama-adviser-ousted-after-speaking-with-hamas/
If he EVER says he does not support hamas HERE IS THE PROOF he is LYING!!!!
GOD HELP US!!!!!!
PLEASE GET THE WORD OUT!!!!
thank God that people vote against more than for. The negative is more of a motivator than positive. In fact, Aristotle said that people who hate you will avoid you while those angry at you will throw themselves at you with no regard for their own well being.
Michelle, Wright, Ayers, slum lord real estate thugs yet to testify, the new minister, and those yet to come, including Obama himself, are angering the people as they speak. No bark and howl. Their curdling yells are raising as the moon itself will rise many times before November. The werewolfs cannot deny their nature.
One poster said they have nothing on Obama. Really?
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/obama-and-ayers.html
And that is just for starters. There are people right now digging deep through his dirty laundry back out there in sleaze world Chicago politics and they are finding some very interesting connections between Obama and that world of blatant political bribery, kickbacks, and corruption. I think you will find it all very interesting when it actually comes out. Some have said that it will amount to the biggest political scandal ever seen until it all comes into view. Count on it, the blank slate will be blank no more.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/09/report-obama-adviser-ousted-after-speaking-with-hamas/
I am a Hillary supporter and I will be voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. In fact, once Obama gets the nomination, I will begin contributing money to McCain's campaign. Rain, nor sleet, nor snow will stop me from going to the polls in November and voting for McCain.
Bruce:
If President George W. Bush is popular (which I concede he is not), John McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, would be able to fend off either one of the Democratic Senators, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, for the general election right now. I know the Democrats are strongly favored to win this year's presidential election, but I'm afraid they are about to nominate a greater of the two evils, which happens to be Senator Obama. Honestly, neither one of the Democrats is beatable in the current political environment that is still very hostile to the GOP, especially in the wake of the 2006 Midterm Election in which GOP suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Democrats. McCain should already know this by now, and he is going to need all the help and all the luck that he can get, which will certainly be very tough. Not only will he have to shore up the conservative base that is often at odds with the Arizona Senator, but also he needs to reach out to Senator Clinton's supporters as much as possible, and he better make sure that no right-winged third party candidate(s) would publically run against him in the general election since McCain's support could be siphoned off to allow a Democratic win. An Obama Presidency will be a 180-degree turn of George W. Bush's Presidency. There are already problems with it, but why aren't enough conservatives seeing those problems. Conservatives such as James Dobson, Ann Coulter, etc., see McCain as a traitor to their causes and have had vowed not to support him in the GOP presidential nomination or the general election, but they would be even sorrier if President Obama gives them a left hook on almost everything (i.e., appointing liberal judges, strip law-abiding citizen's rights to gun ownership, compromising our national security by meeting rogue leaders, etc.).
There are some very insightful and great comments here and I appreciate them all. Legacy & Kemmitech I couldn't agree more with you, I think Ann Coulter and Mr. Dobson and others are making a mistake their top concern should be stopping Barack Obama, you are right on target with your thinking, I do believe.
I look at the Rightist websites once in a while to see how the other half lives, the Kooks like Limbaugh and Coulter still hate Grampa McCain. The Old Coot's toast. The Kooks decide if the GOP wins or loses. Face it, Wingnuts, you're going to have to live with competent, intelligent leadership, so get used to it.
As a lifelong Democrat and a die-hard Senator Clinton supporter, I thought hell would freeze over before I could vote for a Republican. Well, grab your coats because it's about to get real cold! I promise that if Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic nominee, I will vote (and possibly campaign) for Senator John McCain. I am not a racist (as Obamabots like to claim) and I am neither white, working class, Hispanic, or uneducated. I do not fit into the neat box that the media has classified as Hillary supporters. I'm a highly educated, highly compensated, Asian American female that is angry about the extreme left wing's destruction of the Democratic party I once loved so fervently. There is definitely a deep divide between the Democratic party between the McGovern losers on the left and the Clinton legacy in the center. The majority in this great country are moderates - not left wing liberals or right wing conservatives. What Senator Obama and his supporters don't understand is that Clinton supporters are really angry and we WILL vote for John McCain because he is experienced, qualified, patriotic, decent, and a moderate. We (the Democratic Center) will NEVER vote for Obama because he lacks not only the experience to be president, but also the judgment and character. We will not vote for someone with such despicable associations to racists and terrorists. We will never forgive him for playing the race card and accusing the Clintons (who have spent a lifetime fighting for civil rights) of being racists. If the Republican Party and John McCain want to win this November, they need to move their party to the center. They can win our votes. Just show Senator Clinton and her supporters the respect that Obama, the Democratic Elite and the misogynistic Obama press core never showed to us.
History has many lessons for us .I am sorry as a Democrat and citizen of the USA that we are all so very blind."None are so blind as he who will not see" we play politics as we do sports and fashion both with thoughtless devotion and shallow yet flashy ! Obama is not the person to lead us, just as Bush was so very wrong for the country .Welcome to the Democratic party's answer to Bush ! Yes even the cockeyness .He gives a great speech !!and I'll give you Bush was not able to do that.But this may be the most shallow candidate I have ever seen in the party .I have paid my dues, I have no axe to grind, I ask that all just stand back for a moment and take a look without any bias ! just an honest assessment it won't hurt ! If you want a new playmate for Hugo Chevez our own Sandinista revolution and I say this in all honesty .I was in Nicaragua and viewed it all first hand .Obama is the person for you He is a Socialist ! of this I am most sure and I say this as being one myself for many many years .I wish he was more honest about who he is and what he believes but the clues are there right in front of you .this may be fine and well but some do not realize this and see him in a different light .I have never cared much for Hillary and have never ever voted for a president who won, not since my first vote for George McGovern in 1972.But I say this in all the honesty of my very heart and soul Don't get fooled again !!!Obama is not what he would have many of you believe .He has planned every step of this move for many years now and has had much help and guidance from people who I think the vast majority of Americans would find distasteful in many ways .I will also tell you that the whole Rev Wright blowout was planned and executed to perfection to try and exorcise that chapter in his life to the public Wright did his dance for Obama so that Obama could extinguish that brush fire .I suppose all in all we must follow the path history is writing for us and at some point in time all will be for the best we should grow and survive even through the worst ( Bush ) but we are about to make the same mistake a second time it is the mirror image of Bush only this time as a democrat !!!
There's no doubt in my mind that we HRC supporters must now throw our support to McCain. Obama cannot win the general election without us. Unfortunately, the entire main stream media is in the tank for Obama and given all the money he has he will be getting a lot of air time. The worst thing we can do is sit this one out or write in Hillary's name on the ballot. A vote for McCain is a vote against Obama.
Yes! I've been saying Obama is DANGEROUS to the USA all along - for all the reasons already noted, that MOST of the MSM ignores.
If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, I won't vote for McCain out of spite -- I'll vote for McCain because I believe he will keep the USA safe. He's NOT dangerous. I consider him tough and intelligent.
I still believe Hillary has a chance.
I am not at all surprised that the most loyal Hillary Clinton supporters would be very angry with Obama. He has really went well beyond what is considered acceptable, with his racist accusations with the Clintons. Bill and Hillary Clinton have been called a lot of things by a lot of people, but in my wildest dreams, I never thought I would hear racists used to discribe them. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I as a conservative am not really happy with McCain. But the man does have character, judgement and he is our best hope for the 2008 election, as people who are concerned and care about America. Like one poster put it, the majority of Americans are not far left or far right, but right in the middle. I consider myself in middle right of center. I agree with John McCain about 50% of the time so that does put him right in the center where the majority of people are.
I am starting a campaign to try and talk moderate, American-loving Hillary Clinton supporters to support John McCain this election cycle.
Look, there are a lot of Hillary supporters that see that Obama has trashed their candidate and her supporters. They can also see very clearly now that Obama would be terrible for their Democratic party, America and the entire world. They are NOT stupid and DO care about America and it's future. They are MAD AS HECK, and are ready to rid their party of Obama and his elite, radical friends.
All we have to do is to politely and respectfully ask them to help us defeat Obama. They can then vote for Hillary in 2012, when McCain is 76 years old.
Mr. McCain and Mrs. Clinton are friends. Mr. McCain has an actual record of reaching out to Democrats for the good of our country, while Obama wants to reach out to the crazy man in Iran.
I call on all McCain and Hillary supporters to treat each other with R-E-S-P-E-C-T (as we ALWAYS should do) so that we can take our country back from the brink of total disaster from an Obama presidency.
Thanks for listening.
http://777denny.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/does-barack-obama-have-trouble-telling-the-truth-there-are-67-reasons-why-you-should-ask/
Those of you who think the Republican Party can only win by "moving closer to the center," where have you been the past eight years.
I'm sorry, but your thought process sounds worse than that of the so-called "brilliant" Karl Rove. Where is that permanent Republican majority he wanted to create by moving the party closer to the center?
His father tried the same thing with the statement "a kinder and gentler nation" but it worked even worse for him because he didn't have 9/11 to rally the conservative support to his side that W had in 2002.
Good luck with your maverick because you're going to need it until you realize Republicans don't need to move toward the center because they are already there. What they need to do is move to the right.
What you don't seem to understand is that most people who claim or admit to being "moderate/center" are really way left of center. But, for obvious reasons, no one will admit to being a so-called liberal today. So we call it "moderate or center or progressive" or whatever.
The problem is that Bush already took us there and where did it get us -- we lost both houses and are about to loose the White House. Why would so-called a moderate, "center-voter," or progressive -- i.e., a liberal -- select a so-called conservative who has moved to the center (i.e., further left of center) when they would obviously do much better with one of their own.
When will these clueless politicians learn that they cannot "pretend" to be something they are not.
Oops, I meant "2004" not "2002."
After Hillary, Voting With Conscience and Pride
Joel S. Hirschhorn
This general election more than most will test the courage of voters to avoid lesser-evil strategic voting that has propped up our two-party plutocracy. People with intelligence and conscience must resist peer pressure and the temptation to vote against John McCain by voting for Barack Obama.
Of course, a McCain presidency that pursues much of the same policies and values of the totally inept and morally bankrupt Bush administration is something to loathe. But lesser-evil voting sustains our corrupt political system.
Many say they are voting for Barack Obama in a most enthusiastic and positive way. For me, this does not work. I see no compelling evidence in Obama’s history that he has what it takes to be a true, solid reformer. All I see is a young, inexperienced terrific talker that has used slick rhetoric to sell himself. With intellectual and ideological elitism and an aura of superiority and academic smugness, he has successfully fooled millions of people who are so disillusioned with our corrupt political system that they have let themselves be manipulated by poetic promises of change. In reality, he is just another super-ambitious, lying mainstream politician that has taken considerable money and support from all sorts of corporate and other special interests.
Indeed, despite all the hoopla about huge numbers of small contributors to Obama, he has also relied on exactly the same kind of big, wealthy supporters as the other candidates. As the Washington Post noted in the article Big Donors Among Obama’s Grass Roots: “Seventy-nine ‘bundlers,’ five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. …The list includes partners from 18 top law firms, 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies.”
Sure, Obama says that small contributors will have access, but Obama's bundlers help make up a more loosely defined "national finance committee," whose members are made to feel part of the campaign's inner workings through weekly conference calls and quarterly meetings at which they quiz the candidate or his strategists. Not exactly what $20 contributors get.
I remain troubled that Michelle Obama's salary at University of Chicago Hospitals when her husband won the US Senate seat was $121,000. Within weeks of his swearing in, her salary went to over $320,000. The following year Obama did an earmark request for $1 million for her employer.
Todd Spivak of the Houston Press has documented how Obama accomplished next to nothing in his first six years in the Illinois legislature. But then Democrat Emil Jones Jr. an African American with thirty years in the legislature became head of the senate and explicitly decided to make the young Obama a US senator. He did this by making Obama a sponsor of 26 bills that became law. This gave Obama exactly what he needed to portray himself as a highly successful legislator. Has Obama repaid Jones? Yes. He has provided tens of millions in earmarks for Jones’ district. As to such actions, Jones famously said: "Some call it pork; I call it steak."
Also, Obama’s judgments about people he has used to advance his career have been appalling. These include a former domestic terrorist, a radical hate-selling pastor and a federally indicted Chicago wheeler-dealer. While he talks about bringing diverse interests together, he has never done that to any significant degree as a senator or candidate. Voters have been divided along race lines whether or not it was planned. If he was not black he would not be getting over 90 percent of the African-American vote, without which he would not have beaten Clinton. There is no valid reason for making someone president because of his race.
Make no mistake; I was never for Clinton either. And I never appreciated why anyone should prefer her because of her sex. Call me an idealist, but the only candidate for president worth voting for should have nothing to do with their color, gender or religion.
What are better options for voters?
One choice is to boycott the presidential election altogether and not be a co-conspirator in the criminal conspiracy that our two-party political system has become. This requires facing the ugly reality that voting for Democrats or Republicans will never deliver the root, systemic reforms our failing democracy requires.
Better yet, if you feel compelled to vote, then vote for Ralph Nader. He has a distinguished record over many decades of working solely in the public interest without succumbing to corporate and other special interests seeking political favors. If honesty, integrity, intellectuality, independence, courageous policy positions and true political reforms matter to you, then Nader merits your support. This man of principles deserves your principled vote.
Here are some Nader positions that Obama and McCain do NOT support but that our nation sorely needs: a single payer universal health care system, aggressive crackdown on corporate welfare and crime, impeachment of Bush and Cheney, ending corporate personhood, adopting a carbon pollution tax, opening up ballot access. And Nader is a genuine supporter of the national peace movement to end the US occupation of Iraq. Note that Obama supported the reelection of Iraq war supporter Joe Lieberman. Unlike Obama, Nader is against government subsidies for turning corn into ethanol.
"We need a Jeffersonian revolution," says Nader. "If it doesn't happen, our democracy will continue to weaken and things will get worse. Right now, we have a two-party electoral dictatorship with each party looking for the highest corporate bidder." Amen.
I have been voting for Nader, the most legitimate populist and progressive, whenever he has been on my ballot. This wisdom by I.F. Stone keeps me committed to him: "The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose, because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing - for the sheer fun and joy of it - to go right ahead and fight, knowing you're going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to enjoy it."
The fight is not about electing Nader president, but overthrowing the two-party plutocracy that is killing the middle class and fostering rising economic inequality. Should you have any negative thoughts about Nader because of the 2000 election, the facts refute blaming him for the Bush victory, including more than 200,000 registered Democrats in Florida that voted for Bush (compared to 97,000 votes for Nader, only 25 percent of which would have voted for Gore) and over half of the registered Democrats that did not vote at all because Gore ran a terrible campaign.
Go to www.votenader.org to learn more and join this patriotic effort to spark a Second American Revolution. Enjoy yourself. Feel proud.
[Contact Joel S. Hirschhorn through www.delusionaldemocracy.com.]
Here's the guy McCain associates and values, not even denouncing like someone else:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
Tough luck when you get proved wrong
I think the statusquobuster guy is the only worthwhile comment in this whole thread, and intend to look into delusionaldemocracy.com.
I agree Gunderman that the post by statusquobuster is a very worthwhile post, but I also find all the posts are also worthwhile and have value, even the one I deleted had that person's opinion and was worthwhile, let's just say I couldn't excuse the french.
See if you agree, that the chill spine would be pretty cold if an association of lobbysitters won, and began to run U.S. government behind their frontman. Now Pres. Bush has installed political yes men into most of the cabinets & agencies, couldn't it be seen as the ultimate corporate takeover?
Why Obama? If one was to find the worse state senator from any state and run him for US senate and elect him and this one was the worse US senator and less than 2 years later he runs for president
you'd say, wait a minute this is stupid. Well Illinois did that and his name is Barack. H. Obama. Sounds like a fairy tales, does it noT? Or a horror story!
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